Forensic evidence does not support the case - fatal errors by the prosecution

  Report Mainz - June 8 2009 (ARD)
  John Demjanjuk
  Fraudulent ID Card - Click to enlarge
  Anton E. Winkler, DA Munich
  Acquitted in Israeli Court
  Note that the experts and the program focus entirely on the question if the case can be won. Nobody seems concerned that a possibly completely innocent man who already was dragged through a former extradition and was sentenced to death, and already spent 13 years in an Israeli jail, (4 on death row) now again has to satisfy the never ending Jewish lust for putting their favorite subject; the so called 'holocaust' at the centre of the stage.
  Dr. Wolfgang Steinke
Former chief of BKA forensic department
  BKA and Anne Frank Diary fraud

The German state forensic bureau, the Bundes Kriminal Amt [BKA] forensically examined the manuscript, which at that point in time consisted of three hardbound notebooks and 324 loose pages bound in a fourth notebook, with special forensic equipment.

The results of tests, performed at the BKA laboratories, showed that “significant” portions of the work, especially the fourth volume, were written with a ballpoint pen. Since ballpoint pens were not available before 1951, the BKA concluded those sections must have been added subsequently.

In the end, BKA clearly determined that none of the diary handwriting matched known examples of Anne's handwriting. The German magazine, Der Spiegel, published an account of this report alleging that (a) some editing postdated 1951; (b) an earlier expert had held that all the writing in the journal was by the same hand; and thus (c) the entire diary was a postwar fake.

The BKA information, at the urgent request of the Jewish community, was redacted at the time but later inadvertently released to researchers in the United States. - More

  Christiaan F. Rüter - Expert Judge
  Fraudulent ID Card - Click to enlarge
  Professor Thomas Feltes
criminologist and judicial expert
  Solomon (Schlomo) Morel - Jewish war criminal. Commander of Communist concentration camp 'ZGODA' in Swietochlowice, Poland - Israel refuses extradiction. More

Translation of transcript from German TV program about the many loose ends in the prosecution's case in the upcoming trial against alleged war criminal John Demjanjuk.

Those who understand German, may wish to view the program in stead of reading the translated transcript. Video first broadcast on Monday June 8 2009, further down.

Begin of transcript:

Speak: Often a story begins like this: In mysterious ways a confidential note from the Bundes Kriminal Amt (BKA) [German Federal Police] ended on our desk.

It stems from the year 1987, and is concerned with the simple question if a particular military ID card is genuine or forged.

In the conclusion the note states that there are a number of remarkable peculiarities, which do not speak for the authenticity of the document.

Why we (unintelligible) ?

Because it is about the alleged military ID from this man; Ivan Demjanjuk.

As a guard in the Sobibor death camp, he is supposed to have helped to drive thousands of Jews into the gas.

He is now to stand trial in Munich, and the mentioned military ID plays a decisive influence in the case.

Ulrich Neumann with some research:

The alleged war criminal Ivan Demjanjuk, 89 years old, who was recently extradited from the US to Germany.

As a Soviet solder he ends up as a German prisoner of war in 1942, and then according to the prosecutor, he becomes a so called voluntary helper of the SS, amongst others in the Sobibor death camp, situated in what now is Poland.

Anton E. Winkler, prosecutor in Munich:

The prosecution accuses Mr. Demjanjuk of being accessory to murder in 29,000 cases.

Speaker: As evidence there is amongst others a witness statement from the seventies in the former Soviet Union, as well as a list of transfers to Sobibor.

The most important piece of evidence is the alleged SS ID card.

Anton E. Winkler: There were forensic specialists from the US who already concluded at an earlier time that this ID is genuine. We do not have the details of this expert opinion, which is why we have decided to have the ID checked once more by the Bavarian police, and the Bavarian police concluded that this ID is genuine.

Speaker: And exactly this has already been reported through several months: The state of the evidence is clear. But is it really?

In retrospect:

In 1987 Ivan Demjanjuk already appeared in court once; in Israel.

The accusation: As Ivan the Terrible he is supposed to have been responsible for the gassing of 900,000 Jews. To begin with he is sentenced to death, but the Israeli high court acquits him in 1993. It is a unanimous decision. And also a preliminary examination regarding his alleged activities in the Sobibor death camp is ended after numerous witness testimonies because of lack of evidence.

Wiesbaden a Thursday in 2009:

We meet in secret with a high placed staff worker from the German Federal police (BKA), he says:

The BKA already examined the military ID in 1987 on request by the Israelis, and already at that time the BKA expressed massive doubt about the authenticity of the SS ID. There even exists a memorandum about it.

And that is the memorandum from 1987 which has come into our hands, which was produced for the president of the BKA [Federal Police].

The forensic experts point out several remarkable peculiarities, and thus doubt the authenticity of the ID card.

Dr. Wolfgang Steinke, at that time director of the forensic department of the German Federal Police (BKA), an institute with a world wide reputation.

We show him a number of important documents about the Demjanjuk case and ask for his judgment.

Amongst others the arrest warrant, expert opinions from the Bavarian police and the (afore mentioned) memorandum from the BKA.

Speaker: Were there light or serious doubts about the authenticity of the ID card?

Wolfgang Steinke: I would say there were strong doubts. For example the date stamp was missing; there were signatures from people who in reality had no authority to do so. There were remarkable features in the printing and the type writer, well already after a superficial examination there were serious doubts. This means that the ID would not have been acceptable as evidence in a court of law.

The Dutch judicial experts, judge Christiaan F. Rüter is one of the most internationally acclaimed experts on the subject of war crime trials.

Here his opinion about the relevant documents in the trial:

The BKA memorandum is serious, and the expert opinion from the police in Munich (Bavarian police) is not.

It does not meet the requirements for two reasons: It doesn't meet the standards for investigation, there were done no forensic analyses of the materials, not of the paper, nor of the ink, which is one thing which has to be done in such cases, and the other point is that because the alleged Demjanjuk ID is compared with three other IDs, and then concludes that those correspond, and thus are authentic, while I do not know anything about these other three IDs either, namely if these are genuine themselves.

That is worse than a mistake in the research; it is a mistake in thinking.

Wolfgang Steinke: It is not my purpose to protect an SS criminal. It is about carrying out a sober regular proceeding which meets the requirements for a state based on the rule of law.

And to do that, one has to submit documents of which it has been confirmed by scientific methods that they are authentic.

Speak: Let's rest here for a moment:

The evidentiary value of the most important document of the upcoming Demjanjuk trial is seriously doubted by renowned experts.

We have confronted the prosecutor's office with these statements

Anton E. Winkler (prosecutor): I don't have to rely on the research from the Bavarian police in Munich, in the end the court will decide if the expert opinion is sufficient, if it establishes the authenticity of the ID and not all the speculations which come from other parties, they are not decisive.

Professor Thomas Feltes is criminologist and judicial expert; his assessment after having studied the documents:

Professor Thomas Feltes: One cannot go to court with such weak evidence and than just trust that the court perhaps by itself relying on its own expertise decides to follow one or the other expert opinion. That doesn't work.

Speak: Conclusion - Is one of the last war crime trials in Germany doomed to failure?

Professor Thomas Feltes: For the victims it would be a failure because they have been given expectations which cannot be fulfilled.

For the justice system it would be a failure, because we have a ground rule that when a case is taken to court we have to be sure that such a case can be made successfully, especially in cases like this, which are about Nazi war crimes, one cannot allow oneself to make mistakes, and they clearly have been made here.

Speaker: The risk to be applauded for this contribution by the wrong side exists, but there also is the risk that the Munich process because of bad preparation becomes a failure for the state.

Who will applaud then, we already know today.

End of transcript.


Debating the Holocaust - A New look at both sides

Demjanjuk is accused of driving thousands of Jews into the 'gas chambers'. Now everybody knows about the gas chambers, isn't it? How come there are people who doubt that, and how come they jail people for asking this and similar questions?
The fact of the matter is, that there has never been found conclusive forensic evidence of these gas chambers! It all comes from eye witness reports.. Will we see another eye witness report from John Demjanjuk before he dies? And will he die as a war criminal, or as just one more late victim of 'the holocaust'?

Comment: It seems reasonable to conclude so far that the infamous ID card is a fake.

Which leaves the question, who would want to do a thing like that and why?

Also interesting; when Demjanjuk was standing trial in Israel, he was accused of being guilty of the murder of almost 900,000; near to one million Jews. Germany's new accusation speaks of 29,000 (twenty-nine-thousand), which is a reduction of 96.8 %!

Where do they get these numbers?


You may find some of the anwers in 'Debating the Holocaust - A new look at BOTH sides'.


Wie sicher ist die Beweislage gegen Demjanjuk?
Ausgestrahlt Montag, 8 Juni 2009 Das Erste - YouTube

Morris Venezia admits to murder on camera

Morris Venezia, a Greek Jew confesses to murder of a completely innocent fellow prisoner on camera.

  Morris Venezia - Murderdered fellow prisoner in cold blood
  Morris Venezia - Murder

Reason: He was a German

On an evacuation train out of Auschwitz:

'He couldn't stood up no more this guy..'

He offered me cigarettes: 'would you let me sit down? He gave me two or three cigarettes. I got up and he sat down. I finished smoking and after ten minutes I said; get up. He didn't get up.'

'Me and a couple of friends, we sit on him. After an hour he was suffocated. We threw him out of the wagon. I was happy. Because the Germans had killed my family, 30 -  40 people. What was a German? Psst that was nothing...'

From the BBC documentary 'Auschwitz'

Note that they had cigarettes and matches, the door was open. He was well informed about the whereabouts of his supposedly killed 30-40 family members, even though he had been interned in Auschwitz.



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